Tuesday, March 31, 2009

Cherokee Bill Performs in David, Kentucky:Myth or Reality

I sincerely hope someone does a search for "Cherokee Bill" and ends up on this site. As I think back, it's hard to believe he really existed and that we were allowed, not only to go to his performances, but, especially the boys--allowed to actually participate in his show. The audience watched breathlessly--if we dared watch at all, that is.

My memories of Cherokee Bill were unharvested until I watched Gangs of New York in 2004 with my son, Tom. We discussed "Bill the Butcher's" artistry with sharp knives and the way he never missed his target. Quite a character in the screen play, then I remembered such a character from my childhood.

I flooded Tom with my unbelievable stories of the wild west, one man show that came to David for a few seasons when I was a child. All the David children went to see the dangerous tricks of Cherokee Bill. My son was skeptical since I sometimes embellish the truth to make a good story. Surely children weren't allowed to participate in or to view such dangerous acts as I described seeing on the stage of the David Movie Theater.(Yes, The Company built a small theatre for the community; so no reason to leave, right?) Anyway, Tom wrote the following note to to my siblings seeking confirmation of my wild story.

Hello All,
A viewing of the movie GANGS OF NEW YORK and a
discussion of "Bill the Butcher"'s artistry with knife
throwing, led to a memory for Mother. I stated that
the obvious exaggeration of the movie characters
abilities with knives ruined the movie for me. Mom
disagreed, saying that "Cherokee Bill" could do all
that and more. He would throw knives at boys heads,
slicing off fractions of cigarettes . Play spoons on
children's heads? He would come into town with his big
dog, school would be let out for the big show. She
says her brothers Rodney & Johnny probably got on stage with him, and Bruce
probably hung out at Bills trailer and smoked with his
buddies. "Surely Mother(Nova) didn't know he threw
knives at children" Mom(Judy) says. Though I say I
doubt there is much that went on around David that
Nanny didn't know about.
Anyway, My mother is now requesting "Cherokee Bill"
memories from her family. We look forward to hearing
from you all.
Love,
Tom


Sister Karen (who never embellishes) responded:


Yes, I do remember Cherokee Bill, and he did ALL those things. Remember him balancing a ladder or chairs on his chin? Probably Roger Waugh, Donnie Ray Mollett, Wild Bill Hammond, or Bruce, had cigarettes in their mouths cut in half with a perfect snap of Cherokee Bill's whip. He was ledengary, and all the stories Judy told you are true!
I also remember that we used to play with knives out in the yard. We would stand apart and throw at the other person's feet. If it stuck in the ground, we had to put one leg on that spot. If you fell down, you lost. I never got stuck with the knife. Did we ask permission to throw knives at each other?


Sisters Toby, Peggy, and Karen confirmed just this past weekend that Cherokee Bill strapped willing participants to a large wheel, then as it spun around, threw knives to outline the victim.

We had some colorful friends in David, didn't we? We, of course, are learning that we were also colorful. Wonder how many people from David are writing about those Bussey children. You know, "they went to Cherokee Bill shows" and their mother let them play with knives....." I wonder if Deanna Wicker, Tudy Bartley, Brenda Patton,Sue Dawson, Brenda Clay, Vivian Music, or Betty Mae Clark went to these shows. I would love to hear their stories. The rules for entertainment were never mentioned. It all seems so risky in retrospect.Just, please don't tell me Cherokee Bill was a fake.

Funny that the boys at school weren't allowed to shoot marbles "for keeps" because it was gambling. But, there were no holds barred on the Cherokee Bill show.

Hope to hear from some old David frriends,
Peace,
Judy

18 comments:

  1. This is wonderful! I've heard you talk about Cherokee Bill before, Mom. I don't remember anything so exciting from my youth. I do remember "the missionaries" - two very old ladies who told bible stories using felt cutouts, taught us bible verses, and sang songs with us while one of them played a saw or something. (Played a saw? Is that right, Tom?) They visited WR Castle Elementary school at least twice a year. We were let out of class to go to their program. Today there would be a lawsuit over such a travesty

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  2. Wow! Fascinating. I wish you had pictures.

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  3. i'm looking for albert fisher he was lost in the gold mines hs brought my great great great grandmother sythi dawson over to mo in a covered wagon from kentucky shes buried here in missouri but i need to know who her parents are the bill your talking about is my cousin my email is tweety@socket.net if anyone has any info please let me know thanks sandi

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  4. yes i knew cherokee bill and i worked a few act,s with hem.he often visited my home about 1959-and 60 if you would like photos taken at our home e- mail me i will send you the pic,s thes were made in grenada ms.also i have been to david,i lived in prestonburge in the 80,s my e-mail is edwardcullen03@mchsi.com.thanks charles edwards

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  5. Hey that's my "Big Dad" (Tandy) in that picture!! My mom is Peggy Bartley Ousley!

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  6. Judy, WOW! this is a wonderful thing...I remember Cherokee Bill and his show. I remember having to sneak to go because mom (Ethel) thought it was bad. Good pics and good memories. Thanks!

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  7. I was telling someone about the great Cherokee Bill the other day and I said I need to google this and see what I can find.. Back in the late 60's I had a book called Tales out of School. One of the short stories was called The Great Cherokee Bill, written by Jesse Stuart... It told of "Bill" putting on a show at his school with knife's, rifles, and whips..
    I enjoyed the story but thought it was fiction.. Much to my surprise in the summer of 72 or 73. We went to a family day at a resort lake that we had bought a lot to build a cabin.. Much to my surprise the biggest station wagon I had ever seen (looked like from the 50's or even 40's pulled up and on the side of it a sign said the Great Cherokee Bill... It seems like quite a few people piled out of it and one ancient looking native american.. It was "The great Cherokee Bill".Much to my delight he put on a show with knives, whips, rifles, and balancing things on ladders and all kinds of things.. And he did indeed shoot things out of people's mouths, with knife, whip, and guns.... I have often wondered over the years if anyone else remembered him... And wether he was the actual one from the stories or if there was more than one person who used that name....

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  8. what was his real name? Is he still alive? Where can I read about him?

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  9. no he isnt alive anymore... im his great grandson.. he died in tha seventies.. he has a huge family tho and his name wuss bill verne and his family now resides in ohio and florida mainly.. im lookin for information about him tho so if u could me out that would b nice

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  10. Melissa D Verne-LeksellSeptember 20, 2010 at 7:49 PM

    Hello, my name is Melissa D Verne-Leksell. I am Cherokee Bill's 1st grand child! My Dad, Bill Verne Jr, was Cherokee's 1st son/child. I, along with my father and the rest of our family, are looking for any and all info, stories, and pictures of or about him. Thank you Judy, for sharing your great memories with us about our father/grandfather, The GREAT Chief Cherokee Bill Verne. And, thanks to everyone else who commented with their memories, too! It is greatly appreciated!
    If anyone wants to contact me personally with more info about him, I can be reached by e-mail and by cell phone at...
    mncs2001@yahoo.com
    352-815-0341
    If you reply by email, please use "Cherokee Bill" as the subject, so it doesn't get deleted!
    Thank you in advance to all,
    Melissa D Verne-Leksell

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  11. Melissa D Verne-LeksellSeptember 20, 2010 at 7:52 PM

    My sister, Billie Jo McRoberts, can also be contacted by email and cell at...
    386-237-5935
    bmcroberts2006@yahoo.com

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  12. Ran across an article on Cherokee Bill in the Wilmington News Journal about him and his wife moving to Midland in 1965. I can remember him driving around Wilmington in his car with cow horn's on it . I live in Midland which has about 250 people in it . I'm a council member and we put out a little newsletter for the area and I'm going to run this article but I need a good picture of him. So if you could email a picture I would appreciate it email schaaffer236@aol.com

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  13. I read aloud Jesse Stuart's story, THE GREAT CHEROKEE BILL, to nearly all of my English classes for several decades...They loved it!...It was in a book of Jesse's short stories, entitled, A JESSE STUART READER.....Cherokee Bill came to a school where Jesse was Principal.He was Greatly Impressed!

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  14. My father was friends with Cherokee Bill, we visited their family often in Wilmington. The things I remember are the car with horns, that he could write in this really fancy way and he could play music using spoons. I am 50 yrs old and it had to have been before I turned 9 years old. My mother and father are deceased now.

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  15. I am not related to Cherokee Bill myself but I am very good close friends with his son, Ricky, who resides in southern Ohio. I have seen several comments on this forum stating that there are a few family members who would like to learn more about Cherokee Bill and surviving immediate family. If you'd like, you can visit me on facebook (http://facebook.com/wearehungry) or email me at warpathnetwork@hotmail.com if you are family (Verne or other relation) and would like to get in direct contact with Cherokee Bill's son.

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  16. I got to see and talk to cherokee Bill 1966 i believe , any pictures greatly appreciated.

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  17. I was talking with a co-worker just yesterday about childhood memories and Cherokee Bill came up. We both seen him in school performances.
    I remember Cherokee Bill being at our house in the early '70's, his car with the horns, he did acts for us kids, we have a big family 9 of us kids, he had I believe 2 sons with him. Lots of good memories from New Burlington Ohio. Thank you all for the stories.

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